Rigo:Yes. He's, he's got this letter from the president saying that, you know, he's a terrific guy and you should support his publication. Web10 A.M., Phil Donahue, CH.5 Biographical Sketch of Ari Kane Cross-Port InnerView, Vol. Rigo:They named it The Pioneer Fund, but sometimes people called it the Draper Fund because it was all of his money, and they funded whatever he wanted. There's like, an intellectual continuity, so that theory Mehler had as a 13 year old boy, that the Nazis didn't just suddenly disappear, he was right. 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So, a lot of really terrible people adopt eugenics because it allows them to do things like build fake racial hierarchies based on intelligence or aptitude, and then use that to argue against interracial marriage, or integrated schools, or to argue for the sterilization of so called undesirables. ". Lisa:That makes sense. Rigo:William Shockley didn't try to hide his connection to The Thunderbolt. During the War of 1870, astronomer Jules Janssen risked his life for scientific prestige and French patriotism. Hagley Library is engaged in ongoing efforts to address and responsibly present evidence of oppression and injustice in our collections. Lisa:Oh, great. Bill:And this was the first instance of what became Draper's trademark, um, maneuver throughout the rest of his life. The guy on the left is Philippe Rushton. This is Barry Mehler. WebPhil Donahue Show interviews, 1984 - Archives & Manuscripts at Duke University Libraries Back to top John O'Toole papers, 1954-1990 and undated Correspondence, 1968-1990 and undated Phil Donahue Show interviews, 1984 Phil Donahue Show interviews, 1984 Containers: Box 21 Using These Materials Info for Visitors How to Request Ordering web pages Ironically, the Third Reich thought that this was too extreme for them, and so they didn't use the one drop of Jewish blood made you Jewish. Rigo:Somebody painted a swastika on his mailbox. Rigo:So this incident sent Mehler on a path. This is why the book claims blacks are disproportionately living in poverty and also more likely to commit crime. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, but he soon started pushing the envelope by discussing health and social topics previously Read allThe precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. If I was on a national public radio program, that's fine. Rigo:Even though his work was only in left leaning publications, the TV appearances were a big platform for Mehler to refute their ideas, but he says that might have been for nothing. Rigo:Something that a lot of people don't know is that the Nazis got the ideas about eugenics from the United States. So he's not just in academic conferences with Nazis, he's also quite literally on the battlefield with them. This was also done to make it seem like there were more race scientists than there actually were. The father is just driving along proud of his son. It was because I was not a mainstream scholar that I was able to get away with all the things that I was able to, to do, and I did survive. Rigo:And Laughlin was on that wave length. Let me read this. [laughs]. So here is a guy who's wiling to take a stand for racism, and the Pioneer was willing to give him anything to help him spread that news. 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Uploaded by Rigo:While some of The Pioneer Fund scientists like Shockley are public facing, the Pioneer itself liked to remain out of the spotlight. It brought together two different groups, those American scientists who were opposed to the civil rights movement, and who wanted to emphasize the inferiority of Blacks, and European scientists who were still promoting the kind of racial hygiene that had been at the core of the policies instituted by the Third Reich. Barry:His father left 11 million dollars, um, which was quite a fortune in, in those days. Murray told the New York Times that, quote, "Some of the things we read to do this work, we literally had to hide when we were on planes and trains.". WebHost Phil Donahue questions Bill Clinton and Albert Gore, Jr. in the studios of Nashville's WSMV-TV, taking questions from members of the audience including Stacy Harris who He accuses Mehler of character assassination, bias, and of being a left wing nut. People were throwing money at him. Donahue:and a big and larger genitals mean more promiscuity. Search the history of over 797 billion That's what it was all about, they wanted to resurrect their movement to come after my son. Phillipe Rushton on Donohue:Oriental populations have less sexual partners than do whites. He seemed to be enamored of his Army experience, and that was his primary identification all his life, especially since he never really had a job of any sort. He ran the Phil Donahue show for almost 3 decades with nearly 7000 one-hour daily shows. Rigo:When Barry Mehler said guys like Philippe Rushton aren't just Neo Nazis, they're old fashioned Nazis, he was serious. They review each other's books, they write for each other's journals, so it creates a kind of universe, academic universe within a bubble that outside the bubble, no one takes them seriously, but inside the bubble, they can have a resume that looks rather impressive. Lisa:Ah, the pseudonym journal strikes again. Barry:He is eventually recognized by the Nazi government in 1936, both because of his work in the sterilization area, but also because he was a major proponent of the so called Racial Integrity Laws, the laws that prohibited people from being married if they were from different races. Phil Donahue Book I did the math, and it would be like, something like 160 million in today's money, so when I say his family was wealthy, I meant it, like their ancestral home was a castle in Scotland. Lisa:Ah, the infamous William Shockley. Not only was the war not over, but the Nazis were still out to get my son. What he's just been talking about. In his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. So which is bigger, long or fat. Stuff was pouring off the presses from him. [Description and dates], Hagley ID, Box/folder number, MCI Communications Corporation records (Accession 2225), Manuscripts and Archives Department, Hagley Museum and Library, Wilmington, DE 19807, Access to this item is provided for educational and research purposes only. Senior Producer: Mariel Carr The Price is Right? Yes, and then these checks were often for ample amounts in the thousands of dollars to people, uh, just because Draper or Pioneer liked what they were doing. Rigo:They were very entangled. You know, the only thing I had was the fact that I was able to articulate a context, and a vision that nobody else really had. Rigo: In 1935, before the Pioneer Fund is official, Laughlin sends Wycliffe Draper to a eugenics academic conference in Berlin. Archival of Shockley:My research leads me inescapably to the opinion that the major cause of the American Negro's intellectual and social deficits is hereditary and racially genetic in origin. Every place I went for a scientist, uh, or a- an activist who had been involved in these issues, there was connections between them and Draper and Pioneer. I was the only one really putting together these strands because I was reading the racist newspapers. Lisa:Oh my God, I'm afraid to ask, Rigo, but you're gonna tell me. Despite what most people would agree were really problematic endeavors, Pearson did not have trouble finding a job in academia. He seems to delight in presenting guests who are anti-war, anti-Bush and skeptical of the administrations motives. Just to give you an example of how this works, the journal Nature currently has an impact score of 40, and the Mankind Quarterly sits below one, but none of this mattered to the people in the Mankind Quarterly. That is the foundation for the claims that African-American people on average are intellectually inferior to whites. Please tell me someone noticed that this was happening. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. I mean, it's just like the whole nature of the argument, you really want to take the most vulgar, racist argument and dress it up with the most foolish threadbare data points in order to make the claim that, that Black people have large genitalia and small brains. Laughlin gave them a kind of eugenics spin, giving them a kind of scientific veneer that they didn't have before the Eugenics Movement came along. Lisa:So tell me about Roger Pearson. In April 2017, author and neuroscientist Sam Harris published an episode on his popular podcast called Waking Up with an alluring title, Forbidden Knowledge. Barry:Jerry Hirsch sued Roger Pearson, so we were able to get a deposition under oath, and I prepared a list for Jerry's attorney to simply ask, uh, Pearson, "Have you published under this name, this name, this name, this name?" Distillations Podcast | February 21, 2023, innate_podart_900x600x300_episode6_bg.jpeg, Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race, National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom, The American Breed: Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fund, The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and the Pioneer Fund, The New Eugenics: Academic Racism in the U.S. Today, The High-Flying, Death-Defying Discovery of Helium. This is taken from a "Classic Donahue" rerun in 1996. Rigo:Yes, and here's an example of that. Talk about context and urgency, that is what people understood, and that's why they were so upset at what I was doing. Lisa:I can only imagine what a book with that title is gonna be about. Rigo:Exactly. It's kind of a fitting name because he was born into a wealthy family in 1891. Rigo:They're projecting, obviously. That is, until Barry Mehler starts connecting the dots. And we just went down a whole list, and, you know, and he confirmed that he was all those people. It's the Phil Donahue Show, one of the '90s most watched talk shows. Lisa:So basically Mehler's kitchen table would have been filled with racist propaganda hate mail 24/7 365? You don't have to apply. Rigo:And since then, Mehler has always operated under the assumption that Nazis never really went away, and as it turns out, he's right. The group behind it bombed a synagogue in 1958, just to give you a sense of who they were. I have a position at Ferris State University. This is another clip where Berry Mehler and J. P. Rushton are sitting next to each other debating. The real scientists. Bill:He liked to be referred to as Colonel Draper, or the Colonel. It gets stranger. Scientists pushed back against this hard, but Murray still gets tons of attention from the press, and it gets legitimized. WebDonahue: With Phil Donahue, Sammy Davis Jr., Dolly Parton, Debby Boone. Bill:Draper guarded his own identity very, very carefully so that very few people knew of who was this, uh, multimillionaire who behind the scenes was putting up the money. Do you want to know what else was in Barry Mehler's mailbox? And when I say a Nazi magazine, the logo literally had a swastika in it, and then he wrote an article that claimed that Jews had started World War II, and they were trying to exterminate the Germans so they were the victims. The pioneer fund has been the key source of funding for the last 20 years of scientists who have produced the material. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, but he soon started pushing the envelope by discussing health and social topics previously considered taboo. I mean, I was never anybody really. Lisa:This is that method one you mentioned, right? Our agenda to port bill Blakemore has been looking into a fairly obscure research fund that has drawn attention because of this book, the bell curve, a fund. Using stories from sciences past to understand our world. Let's switch gears and talk about the bearded guy on the right, who has amazing muttonchops. He knows there must be more there, and sure enough, he was right. They distributed one of Hitler's propaganda films to American high schools with English subtitles. Lisa:The quote that everyone remembers from that trial is when Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough." Jensen was willing to take a stand, and he knew what he was doing. And, um, my son picked up the phone one day, and this, uh, guy said to him, um, "I'm gonna kill you, chop you up into pieces, and mail you back to your dad in boxes.". The American Breed: Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fundby Paul Lombardo, The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and the Pioneer Fundby William Tucker, The New Eugenics: Academic Racism in the U.S. Todayby Barry Mehler, Superior: The Return of Race Scienceby Angela Saini. And apparently Draper was also kind of shy. Bottom line, Wickliffe Draper's money makes the journal possible. He recalls how his success hosting the call-in radio talk show, "Conversation Piece," in Dayton, Ohio sparked the interest of the local television station's general manager. Second, it sometimes publishes valid news that I don't find elsewhere." Andhe said, I don't understand. Rigo:Right. So this is essentially what Arthur Jensen is arguing, you know, why serve breakfast to school kids if it's not going to improve their performance? I would imagine that some opinions are changing as the war drags on. Library & Archives Newsletter. And that's one of the things that The Pioneer Fund was able to do was to create outlets so that they could publish, they could review each other, they could support each other, and they could create this sense that this is a legitimate academic enterprise when, in fact, in the legitimate academic world, nobody was even aware that they existed. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Then the black population in the United States on the average. We were on the run. Recently, you were, uh Ferris State University suspended you for publishing a profanity based video. This is one of the most liberal institutions in the country, so when he suggested intelligence was inherited, people got a little ruffled, but that's not a firable offense in itself, right? Uploaded by Essentially, it gave racists a cover story. In fact, he spent his whole career going after people like Rushton, poking holes at their arguments, trying to get people to see them for what they really are, racist scientists. [laughs] And, you know, and he's arguing that you can't boost their IQ by, uh, any kind of environmental changes, which is kind of an absurd argument anyway to make. It's almost like, uh Like a racist Santa Claus. Rigo:To polite society, it looked like professor's doing some perhaps questionable work on the side, but nothing that would warrant negative attention, but most people weren't really reading The Thunderbolt. Rigo:Yeah. And as I got up, uh, a question began to form that really took me really the rest of my life to contemplate, which was why do they hate me? Innateis made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom. Lisa:Presumably he's not also a race scientist? Phil Donahue Show was my favourite! on the Internet. It's been debunked a million times but we're still living with the legacies of these ideas. Rigo:Exactly. How does he keep getting the chance to put these ideas forward? One is that they were enormously important to the racists because they legitimated their views, and especially after World War II, when the Nazis had been defeated, you had very little support for these kinds of ideas. Rigo:So Laughlin comes up with their first endeavor. Episode 1 from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. Listen to this. The user assumes responsibility for obtaining permission from the copyright holder to publish or distribute this image. While he was doing research in Germany in 1978, he discovered that Arthur Jensen had been writing for a new Nazi publication called New Anthropology. Lisa:Wow, this is delightful daytime content. Phil Donahue's Rigo:Yeah. Why would I publish under a pseudonym? 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