In addition, I can see a stuffed animal in the crime scene photo. That seems proven at this point. Please correct me if you know otherwise. Our understanding also is that he never even called her to have her bring the keys. Also the original SPM1 clarified via my friend that there was not just one stuffed animal but also that there were stuffed animals plural at the scene. Every time one comes up, everybody flips and says this is the guy!! This is an article with a description of the search - and pictures taken during the search (the day murder victims Abby and Libby were found). Police have quizzed Kegan Kline over his correspondences with Libby German, a transcript leaked by Murder Sheet earlier this year revealed. A large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene, the agent writes. And you guys have not given up on us. I am close in age to Chadwell and I cannot imagine writing things like that. "I don't want to put too much stock into it until I hear something from law enforcement," she added. The photo, which was recovered from Libertys cellphone, showed a man who authorities said was walking on the Delphi Historic Trails and might have participated in the murders, according to a news release. And the girls may well have been moved and put there late at night. who is bridge guy and is this a cold case?Please remember to be nice to those who come forward and share their stories.#delphi #libby #abby #ericwilliamsdelphiThe Unsolved Podcasthttps://youtu.be/edb0SEKBtB8#Delphi murders#delphi murders kelsi#delphi murders kline#delphi teens murdered#abby and libby#abby williams#delphi case#delphi daughters#delphi girls murdered#delphi indiana murders#libby and abby I get accused of that all the time on here, as I pretty much lay my life out pretty bare and naked on here. If these claims of the crime scene condition and signatures left behind by the killer are false, then I have to wonder what on earth the police found so bizarre. A spokesperson for the Wabash County Jail declined to provide additional information when contacted by The U.S. Sun but said the arrest was unrelated to the probe into the Delphi probe the site of a 2017 double murder to which Trexlers cousin, but not Trexler himself, has been linked by prosecutors. I dont know about the rest of you, but I am looking at that damned bear or dog or whatever it is and I am thinking, Thats a stuffed animal. If any of you all think thats not a stuffed animal and its really something else, speak up now or forever hold your tongue. Becky Patty said that Libby had met Mr. X a couple of times, but she didnt think Libby would recognize him. Its like he wants these two tween girls on the cusp of womanhood to remain forever children and sexually innocent and so leaves them surrounded by a childs toys, both as a kind of apology to them, as well as way to announce to the world that he has effectively preserved them as children forever. Police initially believed the. As far as whether there was a giant 5 foot stuffed animal left at the crime scene, even though I can see that thing clear as air, that rumor is so insane that I am not going to believe unless I get some further testimony. They may have if they'd known the girls had been killed, but remember that until they found the bodies the worst they were prepared for was finding the girls badly injured or dead from exposure. In Indiana, most defendants are entitled to a reasonable bail that is high enough to ensure the defendant's appearance in court, according to Indiana law. Richard Allens point is it will not., Who is Delphi suspect Richard Allen?Indiana town wants answers about man who 'blended in'. Thx for the point about girls being abducted off trails and being boxed in on both sides in both cases. New information about the murders of Delphi eighth graders Liberty German and Abigail Williams became public Monday, and police have a man in custody. Wouldnt LE and Fire officials have kept a list of folks who participated in the search? We would love to hear your thoughts on him and why or why not he might be a suspect in the Delphi murders. I am so suspicious of Mr. Xs cemetery hangout and if the rumor about the keys being at the site is true. Its very (as the kids say) cringe.. In other words, its now proven that more than one stuffed animal was left at the scene. Our goal is to find anybody else involved in this heinous crime. A search party found Libby and Abby's bodies along the Deer Creek, about a quarter of a mile east of the Monon High Bridge. Not validated via LE, but its a popular rumor that police officer NM was the one supplying the apparently fake alibi for Mr. X. The agent said Logan contacted his cousin and asked him to tell that story before the bodies were found. About the stuffed animals hanging from the trees. So that seems proven too. Allen pleaded not guilty in a preliminary hearing, Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland said in a news conference Monday. Here in Gary, about two years ago, a special needs woman and a toddler she lived with went missing. I appreciate your work. Hi Robert. That is very interesting. Follow on Twitter: @RonWilkins2. You dont think there were stuffed animals at the crime scene? Not much of Allen and his arrest is known as most of the case-related documents are under seal. Its from a Youtube video of some guy who edited the publicly available helicopter footage. Ive probably seen him. Why else do you think Carter would have said those things? He is a welder and the hat the BG is wearing looks like a welders cap. Rozzi began his arguments by asserting that the documents should be unsealed. His trial is tentatively set to begin on March 20. Searcher Eric Williams speaks after nearly six years of no justice. Yes it is very important that there is a Tyson plant nearby in both of the crimes. "As Doug Carter said that earlier, if you recall. "We were called in on Wednesday to tell us they had detained somebody, so weve had a couple more days to process this," Becky Patty said. LE? "Let me ask you - why would you, after you failed the polygraph about knowing about the Delphi investigation, come home, delete your Snapchat and your Instagram, which you used to communicate with Libby, and then you searched, how long does DNA last?" In an effort to help the public recognize whom they were looking for, Indiana State Police in July 2017 released a composite sketch of what they thought the killer looked like. LE thinks BG did Evansdale and they think BG is Mr. X, correct. I think they were lured or catfished at some point. OR he passed the girls and tried to speak to them and was rebuffed by Libby which made him angry, and he then began to stalk them. I've hardly seen anyone speak about the search party. 187 5.6K views 2 years ago THE DELPHI MURDERS - THE SEARCH (MINDSHOCK TRUE CRIME PODCAST CLIPS) Breaking down the search in the case. Delphi murders:What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed. Indiana State Police made headway on Friday in the 2017 cold case commonly referred to as the Delphi Murders. Perhaps its a violation of social rules, but thats not in the DSM yet. Didnt know, I dont know the gentleman personally at all. If yes, they can sort out the crime scene DNA, right? And the new one we just talked to is saying that she was told not to tell anyone, but the scene was bugging and eating away at her so much that she just had to spill finally. "It certainly seems like it could be significant, but as to what it pertains to, I don't have a clue," said Carrie. Hi Robert. They had embarked on an afternoon hike the day before their discovery. News outlets throughout the state, including Gannett, the Hoosier State Press Association and the Indiana Broadcasters Association, filed a brief Monday in favor of the documents' release. Keeping the documents secret only heightens the public's curiosity about the case, Rozzi said. It also hints at the idea that they were meeting someone there, a gift for a date. The family had trouble finding people to help them search. (WLS) -- There is a new push for information four years after police found teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams dead, in Delphi, Indiana. Officials weren't sure just how many volunteers came, but sign-in sheets appeared to log hundreds." Suspicious as Hell if you ask me. Initial searches of the area didn't turn up the girls and local law enforcement halted the search at dark, picking it up the following morning. Delphi was revenge for Flora. Moments after multiple law enforcement agencies announced the arrest of Richard Allen, 50, in the 2017 killings of Delphi teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams, the grandparents of one of the girls spoke of how their lives have turned a page. To this day they haven't been found. He was charged with a probation violation for driving with a suspended. We also have it from two separate search party members independently that they were told to not tell anyone what they had seen. Ok, thats so crazy that its almost impossible to believe its true. VERY strange indeed. February 24, 2017 The next chapter is now were on to the prosecution side, right? I will agree with SPM1 who seemed to say that there was a stuffed animal toy at the scene that was so large that BG could not have been carrying it with him on the bridge. Great Summary! As we all know, LE has kept info about the crime scene and the girls' COD, etc., strictly "close to the vest"). His behavior and his videos are being looked over with a toothcomb and theyre getting it all wrong. The two SPMs both reporting that there were stuffed animals plural instead of singular seems sufficient to prove that there was more than one stuffed animal at the scene. According to Leigh Kerr, the BG took locks of hair from the victims. Libby's grandfather did not want the media to move on from this day. Validated through one of your LE sources? If you have any information on the Delphi murders, contact law enforcement at 1-800-225-5324 or Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com. I read somewhere an account by a search party member from the night before, that one of the search party organizers prevented his group from searching the actual crime scene by saying you all cant go here, its been searched already. DELPHI, Ind. "But the arrest on two counts of murder is sure a major step in leading to a conclusion in the long-term and complex investigation.". ", Delphi killings:4 things we learned about arrest in deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams. Doug Carter, superintendent of the Indiana State Police, announced Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi has been charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of Libby and Abby. As you can see in the subhead of my title, I am challenging my critics about their certainty that there was no stuffed animal left at the crime scene. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://www.pharostribune.com/news/local_news/article_031b521c-f2e3-11e6-a249-a77587cb24f9.html. Breaks my heart that the family had to try so hard to get help. Here in Gary, about two years ago, a special needs woman and a toddler she lived with went missing. There were no stuffed animals in trees. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. (and probably always will) Obviously, they saw how their bodies were left and considering that, might have knowledge of how they were murdered from that scene. "For now, to me, it's about protecting the integrity of this case.". "My office, me, felt it was important to seal those records," McLeland said. A number of those slaughterhouses around there are indeed operated by Orthodox Jews. This makes me think of the dolls and stuffed animal left at the scene. The Murder Sheet Podcastwas first to publish the transcript of an Indiana State Police interview with Kline, where he admitted having contact with Libby German and suggested police had told him he failed a polygraph test about the murders. The members of the search party who found them must still have visions and memories of that tragic day etched in their minds. "Today is not a day to celebrate," Superintendent of the Indiana State Police Doug Carter said. Crews were being sent out 10 to 12 people at a time to help cover an area of 20 to 25 square miles, Leazenby said. The public has an absolute right to the information, but at what cost? McLeland said. What's the procedure when bodies are located? To me, that explains a lot about why it took them so long to find the girls in the first place. Reach Ron Wilkins at rwilkins@jconline.com. Prosecutors fueled speculation during Tuesday's hearing that Richard Allen was not alone when they allege he killed Libby German and Abby Williams in early 2017. The 38-year-old was arrested in September 2015 on a warrant for operating a vehicle while intoxicated and driving while intoxicated with a controlled substance. Delphi Murders Update April 26, 2021: You Sure There Was No Stuffed Animal Left at the Crime Scene? I read that they had teams searching on the second day. At the conclusion of Tuesday morning's 40-minute hearing, Special Judge Fran Gull said she will publish a decision on whether to make public the charging documents and affidavit after reviewing both sides' arguments. And my calculations by measuring the bear and comparing it to the height of Abby (54?) Photo: Courtesy Mike and Becky Patty. Unless she time traveled back to 2015-16 but maintained her age, th our math would make her 16 in 2017. Would you consider writing a post on him? To this day they haven't been found. They certainly have my appreciation. A very popular one is the observation that if the crime scene was this insane, it would have leaked out by now. SPM2 also reported that there were stuffed animals at the crime scene. There was no mention of what type of stuffed animals they were or how big they were. Typically most defendants charged with murder do not receive bond. Press J to jump to the feed. No, but no way is this guy involved. Moments after multiple law enforcement agencies announced the arrest of Richard Allen, 50, in the 2017 killings of Delphi teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams, the. 4 things we learned about arrest in deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams, What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Grays videos run to 3-4 hours and may contain five minutes of useful material if you are lucky during that time. So why waste your money on Hughes and Greeno? Can you show me? Il Funerale di Saddam, Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, The Rules-Based Order the US Keeps Blabbing about, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. The police didn't take them seriously at the very beginning. It is not a a palette knife, I know that much. He has not been charged or accused of any wrongdoing in the deaths of Abby and Libby. Its the wife herself supposedly coming back to give him his keys. He took his wife with him. And also know if any of the POIs were around that night, right? This is still a very ongoing investigation, McLeland said. Regardless of whether or not members of the search party were told not to report what they saw at the crime scene, if it was as bizarre as it sounds, I dont see how anyone could keep it to themselves. Watch on. On a day off from school Monday, Feb. 13, 2017, the teens Liberty, 14, and Abigail, 13 embarked on a hike after a sleepover the night before at Libby's house. These VD animals are often holding a sign in their hands that says, I love you, or some such. And its likely that BG did work there, as youve pointed out, since he killed Libby the same way pigs are slaughtered. CVS worker Richard Matthew Allen, 50, was charged in October after an analysis concluded a 40-caliber round that was found between the bodies of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams had come from a gun he owned, according to a probable cause affidavit made public Tuesday. Carter added the probable cause affidavit remains sealed. DELPHI, Ind. Police announced on Monday that a suspect has been arrested in the killings of two teenagers that rocked a small town in Indiana more than five years ago. " (T)he media accounts concerning this cause have contained an undue number of statements relating no only to the progress of the investigation, but conclusions of the investigation, some of which have been untrue.". They supplied each others alibi, technically, without saying CSI guy is a suspect. Make That's mind boggling. Just a thought. I dont even know what that means. His wife was with BP when the call came to Becky that the girls had been found. Is there any chance the Police Officer NM was murdered and it was made to look like suicide? Id assume the kind that is foggy? Those with pertinent information can email, abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com or call 765-822-3535. oh so he died recently? The inevitable questions arise. Theres one reason I think we can all think of, best left unmentioned, and another, that they were out in the nowhere, possibly hunting but far away from the crime scene. "If it is related, whatever they're looking for, I hope it comes sooner rather than later. I'm assuming LE must "ask them" or straight out tell them to keep such information strictly to themselves for the sake of the on-going investigation. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. And thats not even the start of the weirdness. He boasts hed like to beat the guy up even if it means incarceration. Logan was never formally named a suspect and never charged in the Delphi murders. WISH-TV was the first to break the story connecting Kline to the Anthony Shots social media profile in Dec. 2021. And you wont by enriching someone who is already wealthy like Hughes. Greenos videos are almost completely worthless, and group members who have spoken to him told me he has nothing new to add to the case. Indiana State Police confirmed to WISH-TV on Wednesday afternoon that the search ended after six weeks. I theorize that after release from prison he was itinerant and carried a gun for protection. Compared to most single men his age, I dont think he has much animus towards young women at all. Thanks for your response: appreciate that. The revelations come just two weeks after authorities released a redacted version of the probable cause affidavit that led to Richard Allen's arrest. In other words, that stuffed animal toy is over five feet tall! It seems odd. 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