Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Antrim Princess Sealink ferry underway in Larne with Sealink letters. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. I really quite like that now. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. I can only see negatives. You are using an out of date browser. It does look better than red. Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. If it was, that format would not be used by: If you need any proof, they've also just done the same with 'Great British Nuclear'. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Yes i like it, very clean and professional looking. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. BRs own history says otherwise. On the face of it, this is primarily a reorganisation of the franchise system in England control over passenger franchises in Scotland and Wales is, alas, devolved. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. Most of the coverage has focused on this. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). JavaScript is disabled. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. Home Forums Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. [7]. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. The British Isles in my old school geography books included the island of Ireland but I wouldn't have said that in my recent visit to the country! Bare minimum, low effort. The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session.[2]. There have also been subtle font changes. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? It may not display this or other websites correctly. "Great" means "large", not "very good". It's good work (and the previous set). One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. The first Class 31 entered service in November . Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 3 Apr 2022 . Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. Question for the designers. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. Heh. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. It still has to look good decades from now. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. Which does what it says on the tin. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. White letters on a navy background is the way to go. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? Now there's a system others can look up to. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. Could GBRTT be right for you? [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. [8], Class 501 train in Rail Blue calls at Harrow and Wealdstone, Class 416 train in British Rail blue/grey livery calls at Dalston Kingsland station. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. 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